14:39:48 [sam] I have little concern as far as the characteristics that body hair will take, will it be exactly the same. Can you tell any difference, the color, texture, lenght, etc. I have read a lot about this but not seen any proof. I am may to need my body hair for the density I want.
15:03:22 [drcole] right on time...
15:05:10 [Benny] Hi guys.
15:05:31 [drcole] hellllo benny
15:05:51 [drcole] ok, body hair. what will it look like?
15:06:09 [Benny] Hey, I'm still pretty tired but I thought I'd check things out.
15:06:27 [drcole] my personal experience suggests it will take on the curl similar to the region it came from after time this curl may straightnen out but i don't know for sure
15:06:40 [drcole] benny have you been working all day?
15:07:15 [drcole] benny how's the cows?
15:07:15 [Benny] no, resting/sleeping lol, no work
15:07:31 [drcole] ok, sleeping that's good. you need the down time.
15:08:02 [drcole] there is plenty of proof regarding body hair
15:08:12 [Benny] they will do without me for a while, i want to be sure I've healed up before wearing stuff on my head, It's really cold and snowy here.
15:08:15 [drcole] all you need to do is look at the work that dr. woods has done
15:08:41 [drcole] cold and snowy. i'm in florida today. it is hot and humid
15:09:20 [drcole] i personally asked dr. woods about body hair
15:09:39 [drcole] he told me face to face that it works extremely well and grows up to 6 inches long
15:09:54 [drcole] dr. jones says the yield is near 100%
15:10:12 [drcole] i've been much slower to adopt it as a source, but it is turely exciting.
15:10:45 [drcole] any questions? i'm on ready five
15:11:21 [Benny] yeah, body hair is great, i'm interested to see how those chest grafts come through
15:11:22 [drcole] i've seen growth from body hair. there is no doubt that it does grow. i just want to see if the yeild is 100% and how long it will grow
15:12:49 [drcole] I would like to welcome everyone to tonight’s live chat session.
15:13:46 [drcole] The topics tonight include the October International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery meeting in New York and body hair FIT. The topics are not limited to these parameters. You are welcome to introduce other subjects.
15:14:01 [quan] Dr Cole a researcher was able to pluck beard hair and implant in the scalp and it grew. Do you think other types of body hair can be plucked instead of cut out and be implanted in the scalp area.
15:14:01 [Benny] How should I be treating these grafts in the donor scars including the BHT now? I've been very careful and gentle, but it's been nearly 3 days since the last ones were put in, including the chest hairs
15:14:14 [drcole] This year’s ISHRS meeting included several very interesting talks. The most interesting were the discussions regarding storage mediums for grafts, an update on hair cloning, ischemia reperfusion injury of grafts, use of polarized light sources, plucked beard hair transplants, an update on follicul
15:14:19 [baldman] Dr. Cole, where do you live?
15:14:41 [drcole] baldman, i live in atlanta
15:14:47 [baldman] Can I come see you there, and maybe sleep over? I am homeless as well as bald.
15:15:02 [drcole] benny, the grafts are on auto pilot
15:15:18 [drcole] baldman, you can sleep over. no problem
15:15:25 [drcole] you can stay with cristina
15:15:36 [baldman] How much do your procedures cost? Do you think that I could raise enough on the side of the street in my paper cup?
15:15:46 [Benny] autopilot... so I'm now basically out of the woods then?
15:16:00 [samson] Hi Dr C have you got any time slots over xmas period ?
15:16:14 [drcole] there are many homeless that make up to 80,000 per year. yes you can afford it
15:16:26 [drcole] samson, i'm sure xmas is full
15:16:38 [baldman] Who is Cristina?
15:16:42 [drcole] but i'll ask cristina to check those dates for you
15:16:51 [baldman] Does it hurt?
15:16:55 [drcole] she takes care of our homeless patients
15:16:56 [Benny] lol what the heck is baldman on about, are you for real?
15:17:30 [drcole] yes, beny you don't need to do anything. just don't agressively wash them since this might pull them out
15:17:45 [samson] ok dont worry i will E-mail her as i talked to her and she warned me its hectic over xmas
15:18:16 [samson] any fresh insight into graft survival during procedures?
15:18:16 [Benny] ok, cool, just wanted to double check. I'll have a bath right away and give my whole head a gentle washing.
15:18:34 [drcole] i think its the long holiday that limits our slots in december
15:18:51 [drcole] i'd work more days, but i try to give my kids the week after christmas
15:18:54 [ftfit] dr cole, any further news on your hair multiplication research?
15:18:57 [samson] i suppose you need a rest too !
15:19:31 [drcole] yes, benny, a gentle wash is fine. you really will have to pick the grafts out to loose one at this time
15:19:37 [researcher] Dr. Cole, how do you feel about FIT for NW5-6?
15:19:47 [drcole] samson, i can always use a rest, but there is no time for that now
15:19:48 [Benny] yes, i definitely think dr. cole needs more rest and deserves any he takes!
15:19:55 [69sting] Dr. cole, can you tell me if you have to remove one hair ay a time using bht
15:20:01 [baldman] Now seriously, how many grafts did you put on the scar in the photo on your forum?
15:20:08 [drcole] dr. rassman states that any one over a class4 should not have follicular extraction
15:20:29 [drcole] i disagree. i belive that it is an excellent procedure for just about anyone
15:20:42 [drcole] provided they are a good candidate for hair restoration to begin with
15:21:01 [researcher] what defines a "good candidate?"
15:21:10 [drcole] most body hairs grow as single hairs
15:21:24 [drcole] some grow as twos and there are rare threes
15:21:35 [69sting] is your method completly scar free
15:21:38 [drcole] so, with body hair you are going to get mostly one hair grafts.
15:22:08 [drcole] the caliber can be better with body hair and the wave can be better too. this improves the potential coverage
15:22:23 [Benny] It was interesting that alot of the chest hairs we found on me were in telogen phase.
15:22:27 [69sting] i have meet you at your office
15:22:44 [drcole] defining good candidates is a very complex subject. i'll try to ansewer this if i have time. you can read about it in our patient guide
15:22:47 [samson] Can an average Norwood 5 with realistic expectations see any extra benefit with BHT in the future to for example fill in crown ?
15:22:48 [ftfit] Dr. cole , are you still working onyour HM trials? How is that coming along?
15:23:00 [samson] is that a relistic hope
15:23:15 [drcole] what is very intresting is that the area i harvested from typically has more anagen hairs.
15:23:48 [Forhair] Hellow from Jacksomville!!!
15:23:52 [drcole] hm is still going. we do it on many patients. this is still 4 to 6 months away from a definitive answer
15:24:04 [69sting] i have very little body hair and no hair in my donor area
15:24:30 [drcole] yes, the norwood 5 can benefit from body hair. it depends on many vairables though
15:24:34 [69sting] that is why i was wondering about scaring
15:24:51 [drcole] 69, that is a shame. we need hm for you
15:24:53 [Forhair] Jacksonville
15:25:24 [Forhair] benny ..how are u?
15:25:41 [69sting] i think hm will be a long way off
15:25:45 [drcole] 69 you cannot do hair restoration without creating scars. the scars are not apparent to the naked eye though
15:26:11 [Benny] dr. cole, we talked briefly about using finer body hair, such as leg hair at the hairline to create that natural miniaturization at the hairline look. Would you care to comment on this topic to this room? It is a pretty interesting topic to many.
15:26:26 [drcole] you can't say that for sure. i talked to dr. gho this week. hes done something similar to what i am doing and it worked. he just didn't follow the hairs out long enough
15:26:27 [researcher] Dr. Cole, how is that patient with 5000-6000 body hairs doing? Any tentative results?
15:26:49 [drcole] excellent question benny
15:27:08 [Benny] Hi Forhair! Great man. Thanks for everything down in Atlanta. Have fun in Florida. It's like the middle of winter here right now.
15:27:16 [Forhair] BENNY>>>HOW ARE YOU!!!
15:27:27 [drcole] i agree with this effort. it should make for some fantastic hair lines. the best sources are stomach and leg and the lower back if you have them
15:27:35 [69sting] do you remember meeting me at your office, you gave me the same advice then about hm
15:28:15 [drcole] i thik so. i know i didn't have much time for you. we've been haveing trouble getting together since then too.
15:28:34 [samson] any exciting news from the ishrs meeting that you feel is relevant
15:28:37 [Forhair] its not really that fun...Dr Cole is a slave driver
15:28:55 [drcole] the 5000 body hair patient is doing well. we will not know results for another 8 to 12 months though. be patinet
15:29:32 [Forhair] benny how is your grafts doing?
15:29:36 [drcole] forhair, you never told me that our 20 hours days were not fun
15:30:15 [69sting] i talked with Dr. Gho and he said you and him did not get to meet in new york. i was hoping that is not a sign that you were not going to give up on hm
15:30:28 [drcole] The most important scientific break through in my opinion was the application of new graft storage mediums by the Moser medical group located in Austria. We all know that hairs removed from the donor region and relocated to the top of the scalp typically go in to a growth phase called anagen efflu
15:30:54 [drcole] no, dr. gho and i spoke on the phone this week. he's a good guy
15:31:09 [drcole] i've seen dr. gho's work too. he gets nice growth
15:31:16 [Benny] For hair. They are doing great
15:31:43 [drcole] he limits his graft cases to about 500 grafts, but after talking to me he is thinking about increaseing the size of his cases. this should be good for the patients.
15:31:57 [samson] if the procedure routine is modified to minimise out of body time for graftt is their potential to minimise the waiting for the growth cycle to kick in ?
15:32:01 [ftfit] drcole, do you plan to offer a Gho-like transplantation?
15:32:05 [Benny] I can't believe how quick the donor area is healing. It's incredible. The donor holes from Monday are already hard to see with a casual glance.
15:32:21 [drcole] i think that dr. gho is a good alternative for the european patient
15:32:32 [69sting] he did 879 grafts on me over a 3 day period
15:32:42 [Forhair] <b> quan> any question to Dr Cole?<b>
15:32:53 [drcole] read what i said about the gho method on my website. i'll try to expound here tonight though
15:32:54 [quan] Dr Cole---at the ISHRS there was a presenation on plucked beard hair. do you think scalp hair can also be plucked and implant in the bald area.ed
15:33:26 [Forhair] MickVedder> Hi
15:33:28 [drcole] great 69. we talked about trying to do up to 1500 to 2000 per day
15:33:44 [drcole] yes, quan there was. this is on my fourm also
15:34:06 [drcole] what do you think about these plucked hairs, quan
15:34:06 [MickVedder] Hi There
15:34:16 [drcole] hello mickyv
15:34:32 [Forhair] http://www.forhair.org/forhair_forum/index.php
15:34:33 [quan] Dr Cole could you try plucking scalp hair?
15:34:36 [MickVedder] I am 25 and Don't have a great deal of body hair
15:34:47 [Forhair] this is the forum adress...
15:35:06 [drcole] mick v, what are your expecations and how much hair loss do you have
15:35:20 [drcole] i do not think i want to try plucking hairs yet
15:35:32 [drcole] dr. gho showed that there are stem cells on plucked hairs
15:35:57 [ftfit] dr. ole: Ok, I'll check into that. One question regarding Gho's work: Gho has claimed that his FT is more scar-free than Wood's. After looking at Gho's work, do you think that FIT is as scar-free at the donor site as GHo's FT?
15:35:58 [drcole] unfortunatley, i've seen some patients that were 6 months out on plucked beard hairs. there was nothing growing.
15:36:03 [MickVedder] My expectations are very high because I am so young. Right now I just bic my head. My hairloss consits of a receding hairline and thinning on top
15:36:24 [quan] Dr Cole the plucked hair grew back and also the implanted hairs. Its a form of hair multiplication.
15:36:40 [drcole] dr. gho uses a 21 guage needle. i'll like to see how he does it. he may be right. i don't know. sorry
15:37:34 [Forhair] MickVedder> make a good research before considering hair transplant..
15:37:47 [drcole] quan, that is very interesting. it means that perhaps we can try it and it may work on some patients. dr. hitzig brought a patent to new york. i regret that i missed this segment of the program since i was in my office doing surgery in new york
15:37:55 [Forhair] do you try medicals?
15:38:19 [drcole] mick v, you should do a considerable amount of research prior to ht at 25
15:38:52 [MickVedder] Its gonna be hard because of the thinning. I have the same pattern as my father. He has a pretty good amount of hair on the sides and back.
15:39:23 [drcole] good candidates have thicker hairs, higher density, less hair loss, good hair to skin contrast, curl or wave
15:39:26 [69sting] Dr. Cole, do you feel that a lot of your patients are repair work, because you are so well know for being able to fix a lot of other doctors mistakes
15:39:43 [drcole] what class is your dad, mick v
15:40:07 [MickVedder] I would say a 5
15:40:28 [69sting] i know repair work is very time consuming.
15:40:36 [MickVedder] He does the combover
15:40:42 [drcole] 69, we see many repair cases. they take up a considerable amount of our time. it is difficult to charge them for our time. i wish we did not see so much. your case is especially difficult. i feel for you and hope can derive a solution for you
15:41:19 [drcole] the fact that you father does a comb over is usually a good sign for you. how much coverage does he get from the comb over?
15:41:24 [MickVedder] Dr. Cole how much success have you been having with the donor sight regrowing some hair
15:41:56 [drcole] i've always had good results from this, but i have never quantified it
15:42:14 [researcher] Dr. Cole, have you found that there is a "moth eaten" effect with your larger FIT cases?
15:42:41 [MickVedder] I have tried propecia in the past and just stopped. I didn't feel it was worth it.
15:43:00 [drcole] i have a patient now named casino kid that we grafted into his donor scar. he is not happy with it. i don't know why. he won't return my calls. but i've always seen good growth. the thing we did different with casino was to dense pack the donro area. it may be that dense packing may be a mistake
15:43:19 [drcole] we may need to graft a lower density into scar. it needs to be studied.
15:43:41 [Forhair]>[MickVedder] its a big mistake,,,,even when its not growing,it stops hairloss
15:44:11 [drcole] no, moth eaten yet, but if you over harvest the donor area, you wil see some moth eaten looks if you cut the hair short enough. this will happen with any follicular extraction, even dr. woods.,
15:44:33 [Forhair] i see it on my head...its working..
15:44:40 [MickVedder] i realize that but I wasn't happy with what it was maintaining. I am happier with just shaving my head. I am not up for any combo therapies
15:44:53 [drcole] the best advice i can give you mick v is resume propecia and rogaine, nizoral shampoo, perhaps topical spironolactone
15:45:20 [69sting] i had 150 grafts placed in a scar and i have not seen much regrowth, it has been 9 months since the were done
15:45:23 [researcher] Realistically, how many grafts should you be able to harvest from a virgin donor area without inducing the "moth effect?"
15:45:34 [drcole] mick v, if you are happy to shave your head this is great. just keep doing that and move on with you life
15:45:58 [Forhair] i agree...the best solution to hairloss is to shave your head 
15:45:58 [drcole] it has to do with the pattern we harvest with reasearcher
15:46:02 [MickVedder] Dr. Cole, what is your prodiction for the next few years. Is there going to be anything that will revelutionize the entire hairloss industry?
15:46:31 [drcole] the answer is that i don't know reasearcher
15:47:16 [drcole] the pattern we harvest will control the appearance. the key is to harvest in a way that leaves you thinner but not visually abnormal
15:47:30 [drcole] body hair, mick v, or cloning or hm
15:47:39 [quan] Dr Cole have any of your follicle slice/hair multiplication hairs keep growing
15:47:49 [researcher] do you harvest uniformly over the donor area, i.e., a maximum rate per square area?
15:47:55 [drcole] to me, fit or fue is revolutionary becasue you can shave your head and have no visible scars.
15:48:07 [Forhair] ftfit> Whats up
15:48:19 [drcole] both dr. gho and i harvest about 25% of the donor area in a single pass. i can't say about woods or jones
15:48:49 [drcole] the 25% does not leave you looking gappy
15:49:19 [researcher] Can you comment on what you term "dead space?"
15:49:36 [drcole] the second pass has generated a lower yeild, but this is on purpose
15:49:39 [samson] how many grafts on average does the 25% equate to approx
15:49:58 [MickVedder] Thats what I am holding out for. I aggree with you Dr. Cole. I would like more have more harvested using FIT or FUE. I am sure in time this will be even more advanced
15:50:00 [69sting] Dr. Cole can you tell me what you think would be the best thing for me to do now, i shaved my head 2 days ago and it looks like it has been threw a meat grinder
15:50:20 [Forhair] Benny> how didi your 1th procedure and how many grafts?
15:50:27 [drcole] dead space is a lack of hair. imagine you have five chairs. 4 on the corners and one in the middle. if you take away the middle chair, ther is a dead space. this is what happens with follicular extraction
15:50:50 [Forhair] who..
15:50:58 [researcher] is it aesthetic relevant?
15:51:01 [drcole] 69, i am very sorry to hear that. make an apointment for me to take a look at you now. i want to see that.
15:51:04 [Benny] 69 sting, was your scar densely packed with grafts?
15:51:13 [researcher] aesthetically
15:51:20 [drcole] what are you asking researcher.
15:51:36 [69sting] yes
15:51:46 [researcher] is the dead space noticeable?
15:52:11 [MickVedder] Thank you everyone for your time, especially Dr. Cole for taking time out for us bald guys
15:52:19 [Benny] Forhair, an unethical slimeball named Sheps from Winnipeg, Manitoba did 1150 minigrafts over 3 surgeries.
15:52:55 [drcole] the 25 % adds up to 25 per sq cm in areas that average 100 per sq cm, the this varies from one place on the scalp to another
15:53:09 [69sting] benny atleast you did not go to bosley
15:53:29 [Forhair] and your 2th procedure?
15:53:36 [Benny] maybe this plays into dr. cole's theory that dense packing scars might not result in best yield 69
15:53:38 [drcole] yes, benny, what he did to you was not ethical in my opinion
15:54:17 [Benny] Forhair, 1st through 3rd was Sheps. 4th Dr. Hasson. Now Dr. Cole.
15:54:44 [drcole] dr. hasson did a fantastic job softening your hair line, benny
15:54:52 [Forhair] going up the levels
15:55:25 [Benny] true 69, I know I am luckier than many guys out there. And now after this past week with Dr. Cole....well... wait until you see my posts about it.
15:55:42 [69sting] who is forhair
15:55:42 [drcole] martinik did a study comaring vertical to lateral slits. the lateral slits are clearly superior in some cases.
15:55:48 [Forhair] HI HOCHMAN
15:56:09 [hochman] hello all
15:56:22 [drcole] hello hoch
15:56:29 [Forhair]>[69sting] THINK!!!
15:56:43 [69sting] Dr. Cole do you know what kind of slits nu-hart does
15:56:43 [nyremi] ney benny, hope all is going well with cole
15:56:49 [Benny] Yes, I gave Dr. Hasson credit, but I don't think I gave him enough, he helped alot. But there were the various issues that you worked on with me that Dr. Hasson could not do. Only because of FIT can it be done.
15:57:07 [Forhair] Hi NYREMI
15:57:24 [69sting] ohh i'm sure i know, i just wanted to make sure
15:57:34 [nyremi] hello all\
15:57:35 [Benny] Hi Remi, yes I appear to be healing on schedule, only 3 days post op.
15:57:47 [drcole] thats the take home point. follicular extraction opens new doors and prevents linear scars. its incredible what woods came up with
15:57:59 [researcher] I must leave now, but thank you Dr. Cole for your time and unceasing innovation.
15:58:20 [drcole] no prob. reasch
15:58:33 [samson] does choice of slit make a big difference as good results have been obtained by both methods and which type is closer to nature's pattern
15:58:48 [drcole] one hour down, want to keep going?
15:58:53 [Benny] I think Dr. Cole would be very interested in hearing your story with Dr. Woods. NYRemi is a young guy who is getting a "less is more" kinda thing from Dr. Woods. The post ops look great on him.
15:58:55 [Forhair] hope to see you again...if you have more questions,you can post them on our forums
15:58:58 [69sting] benny, that is my case with gho. he does not do any repair work and i did not have anything for them to work with
15:59:02 [hochman] if you already have the scar though how much sense does it make to use follicular extraction?
15:59:42 [drcole] lateral is closer. it is better. i change it slightly, but only by about 10 to 15 degrees. vertical is not as good, especially in some cases where the hairs in the follicualr unit are more widely spaced
15:59:50 [Forhair] researcher> thank you..hope to see you again...if you have more questions,you can post them on our forums
16:00:24 [drcole] good question hoch
16:00:29 [Forhair] http://www.forhair.org/forhair_forum/index.php
16:00:47 [drcole] fit makes great sense if you have a tight scalp or a wide scars.
16:01:08 [Benny] Gho does not do rpair work? By that what do you mean?
16:01:09 [drcole] if you have a loose scalp, you can do a strip and hope the scar does not widen.
16:01:28 [nyremi] im very interested in the results that cole has ahd with bht, what are the long term results?
16:01:49 [hochman] but from an economic point of view if you have the right criteria and already have a scar are there any tangible asthetic benefits to Follicular Extraction?
16:02:05 [drcole] the long term results are from woods. i hope that they are equally good with us over time
16:02:17 [hochman] or is it a bang for your buck question
16:02:18 [samson] Gnight everyone midnight in UK ! thanks Dr Cole ,hope to see you very soon
16:02:36 [drcole] hochman you must take these on an individual basis
16:02:51 [drcole] hoch, sometimes yes, sometimes no
16:03:03 [drcole] ok samson. i know it is late. take care
16:03:29 [69sting] i have a lot of plug grafts that need to be broken up, i have a doll like hair line. gho only does
16:03:39 [drcole] i give every patient the honest assesment and the economical impact that each course of therapy will incur
16:03:46 [nyremi] for someone who is a nw5 looking for modest density but good coverage what would you recommend?
16:04:06 [Benny] Dr. Cole did a wide variety of repair on me. Hairline shape correction. FIT out some old big grafts. Leaving some of old graft behind in a natural FU. Grafting sclap hair into donor scar. Grafting chest hair into donor scar. Adding grafts to camouflage bad work. What a variety! And only possible be
16:04:12 [drcole] i think that the younger you are, the more you should consider FIT
16:04:28 [hochman] but in your experience with follicular extration to do you think that asthecially it looks better?
16:04:36 [Benny] becauise of FIT.
16:04:43 [69sting] Dr. Cole i am sorry to say your bulldogs lost a close one
16:04:44 [drcole] nyremi, thats not enough info for me. it is very hard to make recomendations without photos
16:05:08 [nyremi] understandable
16:05:22 [drcole] yes, hoch, that is why i changed.
16:05:42 [69sting] benny, that is what will have to be done to me
16:05:55 [drcole] yes, they lost a close one but florida won a close one. at least someone won
16:05:59 [nyremi] what is your availibility in the next few months on the east coast
16:06:12 [Benny] NYREMI has excellent photos pre op and also post op with Dr. Woods. You should post some or send some to Dr. Cole for more specifics. But first you have to let that work Woods did for you grow out. I think you will look great.
16:06:49 [drcole] that's great nyremi. i'm a huge fan of dr. woods
16:06:55 [69sting] Dr. Cole could you tell me how much body hair DJ has
16:07:04 [nyremi] thanks, im hopeful
16:07:09 [Forhair] ftfit whats up...we are waiting for your question
16:07:31 [drcole] he has much more than you, but much less than benny. benny has a totally additional donor supply to work with
16:07:47 [nyremi] my best to you all, time to go and study
16:07:52 [Benny] i'm a sasquatch
16:07:55 [Forhair] <b>We All miss Dj
16:08:36 [69sting] will you be posting pictures of his body hair
16:08:37 [Forhair]>[Benny] what is a sasquatch?
16:08:41 [drcole] good night nyremi
16:08:53 [Forhair] is it a canadian thing?
16:08:54 [drcole] yes, i think it is very important to post these photos
16:09:12 [drcole] don't expect them overnight. it will take time to get them up
16:09:36 [Benny] Big Foot, the hairy man who lives in the forest no one can find proof of, well now you have proof. i am a saquatch as Dr. Cole can attest to
16:09:42 [Forhair] thank you..hope to see you again...if you have more questions,you can post them on our forumsnyremi>
16:10:28 [69sting] i was looking at some of the pictures you have on your site of a bht transplant and he did not look like he had a great deal of body hair
16:10:38 [hochman] Dr. Cole I know this is a hard question to answer but have you seen people who started to lose hair in there early twenty's, have the loss stop, and maintain througout their thirties and into their forties?
16:11:11 [drcole] no one has quantified body hair yet. we need to do tthat
16:11:19 [69sting] i am willing to use every hair on body
16:11:38 [Forhair] actually therer is a sasquatch right next to me now...and a big one...with glasses
16:11:54 [drcole] no, i have not hochman. it is a life long process. it stops for a while then resumes unless you respond to medications such as propecia
16:12:07 [Benny] 69, do you have any pics online that i might have seen?
16:12:29 [69sting] is it roni.. i know i spelled that wrong
16:12:39 [drcole] every hair counts. i was looking at for hair today and noted two hairs on his back that i will now move to his head
16:13:04 [69sting] yes go to hairsite and look under harry
16:13:08 [hochman] but how do you know if the halt in progression is from the propecia and not the natural starts and stops
16:13:31 [Benny] oh harry, of course, we are old comrades at hairsite
16:13:45 [Benny] mber how excited you were about going to dr. gho
16:13:48 [Forhair] Roni? how did u come to this conclusion?
16:14:17 [69sting] i have sent you an e-mail before benny. to get advice on toppix and courve
16:14:29 [69sting] just a guess
16:14:31 [Forhair] myname is james...james bond!
16:14:48 [drcole] 69 has a very difficult situation
16:15:06 [hochman] actuall 69 I gave you advice about Amsterdamn over the phone...
16:15:17 [drcole] i have not seen many patients that stump me, but 69 stumped me
16:15:25 [Forhair] actually i like this position...
16:15:45 [Benny] yes, i remember, i remember we've both had some pretty bad times dealing with things. I remember some of the posts about your situation you would make at hairsite.
16:16:07 [69sting] i know it is a difficult situation, but i really am desperate
16:16:26 [Forhair]
16:16:29 [drcole] benny is one of the best individuals i've had the pleasure to meet. he is a blessing to all of us
16:16:52 [Benny] yes, harry 69 i hope something can get you back to right.
16:17:01 [Forhair] yep,i like benny..
16:17:32 [drcole] 69, you need to make an appointment. i'll spend all the time i can with you this time. i'll try to come up with something or at least give it my best effort.
16:18:09 [Benny] there's all these docs past and present doing harm to guys, but only a few Coles and woods (and yes hassons and other good strip guys as well) fixing
16:18:25 [69sting] i don't rember james bond from cole's office, but i do remember a very nice guy that i talked to a lot
16:18:45 [drcole] money clouds ones perspective
16:18:52 [Benny] 's not fair for us and is especially not fair to dr. cole to have to deal with other arsehole doc's bad work
16:19:11 [Forhair] im on undercover...
16:19:40 [69sting] i also rember a beautiful lady that has been for about 20 months
16:19:47 [Benny] 69, that was one of the thinfg that most impressed me about my time with Dr. Cole, THE TECHS, they are so vital
16:19:49 [drcole] 69, i think you are accurate in your prediction of forhair
16:20:02 [Benny] alot to say about them when i do my write up
16:20:46 [drcole] benny, we miss you already
16:20:46 [69sting] that is what i was thinking to benny, i am asking a lot of Dr. Cole
16:20:50 [Forhair] thank you 
16:21:04 [69sting] and it is very unfair
16:21:33 [drcole] its not unfair, it is just something horrible that happened to you
16:21:38 [Benny] I think Dr. Woods is missing aa invaluable resource that Dr. Cole has in his techs. The way the whole team works together is very impressive.
16:22:07 [drcole] it is greed that advised 69 to have a hair transplant. he should never have had a hair transplant
16:22:09 [69sting] it is like bad things are happening to him because he has such a good repation
16:22:24 [drcole] you have to have the right techs though
16:22:25 [hochman] thanks all...have to go pay attention to the girlfirend....wish you all the best here's to a big thick main of hair for all!
16:22:42 [drcole] everyone must have the desire to do their best
16:22:53 [Benny] Hey lol thanks Dr. Cole. I miss you guys too. You guys have something special going on down in Atlanta.
16:22:55 [drcole] goodnigth hochma
16:23:18 [drcole] yes, benny, i hope to see more of you. we have room for a guy like you
16:23:20 [Forhair] IH ITALYGUY
16:23:54 [italyguy10] hi, sorry I am late
16:24:01 [Benny] OK, any other thing post op I should keep in mind Dr. Cole. I think I'm going to have a bath right away.
16:24:03 [drcole] we will get some cows if you come see us again, benny
16:24:16 [drcole] its never too late, italyguy
16:24:32 [Forhair] healthy cows
16:25:07 [69sting] i agree with you Dr. Cole, but most of us only find out how bad someone is after we have been butchered
16:25:10 [Benny] cool dr. cole, i really feel genuine freindship with you and your staff. And the difference I know this past week means to my life......
16:25:14 [drcole] any more questions?
16:25:37 [italyguy10] Dr. Cole, are you only performing FIT or are you still doing strip?
16:25:51 [69sting] that is why sites like this and hairsite are so important
16:26:01 [drcole] benny, my hope is that you will be able to put this all behind you. you are agreat guy. any girl would be lucky to meet you
16:26:22 [Benny] sleeping. I'm ok to sleep however i want now right? I have been trying to sleep away from the major donor grafting you did
16:26:27 [69sting] should i e-mail you to try to set up a time
16:26:27 [drcole] i do not like to do the strip any longer. i do it, but i do not like it
16:26:54 [drcole] don't worry about the grafts any longer, benny. you should be safe now
16:27:03 [69sting] is roni there
16:27:16 [drcole] yes
16:27:20 [quan] Have any of your split hairs keep growing---have you implanted any in the scalp
16:27:30 [Forhair] italyguy10> how old are u..and what norwood type?
16:28:00 [Benny] Great Cool. And thank you once again. I have to find some way to repay your generosity of time and effort. I don't know how. But I'll kleep thinking.
16:28:05 [Forhair]>[69sting] James!! 
16:28:10 [69sting] are schedules are so differnt it seems like it is inpossile for us to talk on the phone
16:28:12 [drcole] my split hairs are in a resting phase now. i have not put any in the scalp. i am putting them on the wrist in a hairless zone
16:28:25 [Benny] ta go Dr. Cole. Have a nice weekend. Take care. By Forhair. Gnite all.
16:28:33 [drcole] benny, you owe us nothing. just be happy. that's all we want
16:28:47 [69sting] later benny
16:28:49 [drcole] evening, benny
16:29:23 [drcole] i know, 69, i rarely get time to get on the phone until well after 11pm each day
16:30:02 [69sting] i said i would work around your schedule
16:30:09 [italyguy10] I am 45 and have had transplants previously. I am now interested in refining the hairline slightly and possibly some temple work. I have some donor scars but are well hidden because I wear my hair a bit longer but I was interested in possibly a combination of strip and FIT if possible.
16:30:12 [drcole] any more questions or do we call it a night
16:30:27 [drcole] i know, 69, do you want to try coming back to the office some time
16:30:44 [69sting] for sure
16:30:48 [drcole] i can call you late at night too if you like
16:31:04 [drcole] i think it would be good to disrobe you 69
16:31:05 [italyguy10] I have seen several photographs of Dr. Coles hairlines and feel he is the best at this
16:31:22 [69sting] i work night threw the week
16:31:25 [Forhair]>[italyguy10] where do u live?...europe?
16:31:49 [drcole] we will have to look at a weekend for you then 69
16:32:16 [italyguy10] No, I live in Texas, I just love Italy!
16:32:21 [69sting] to be honest saturday nights are the best time to catch me at night... nothing else going on here
16:32:46 [drcole] many do good hairlines. my philosophy is to put 300 to 500 singles onthe hairline in an irregular fashion. most put about 200 tops
16:32:52 [Forhair] can u come to atlanta for consultation?
16:33:00 [drcole] then we will need to meet on a sat. night
16:33:07 [nathan] hi
16:33:26 [Forhair] HI NATHAN
16:33:27 [drcole] 69 was in. it was a bad day. we had so much going on. i reallly did not spend enough time with him. i feel bad for this
16:33:37 [nathan] i need to ask you something drcole
16:33:49 [drcole] ok, nathan
16:33:53 [Forhair]>[nathan] its never too late
16:34:09 [nathan] are there any good fue surgeons in england ?
16:34:20 [drcole] no
16:34:25 [nathan]
16:34:36 [nathan] i guess i have to cross the atlantic
16:34:37 [69sting] sat night would be a good time to talk on the phone....i could try another night to meet you at the office for a visit
16:35:03 [drcole] there will be in time. dr. farjo is a good guy. i think he will try to learn it in due course
16:35:16 [69sting] i don't want to be to much of an inconvience
16:35:22 [drcole] ok, 69, just let us know
16:35:37 [nathan] what about DHI in london ?
16:35:42 [Forhair] Dr Cole will do sUrgery in cyprus...maben you can meet him there
16:36:14 [drcole] 69, all i can do is try to help. i can't perform miracles. you said you had no body hair. your grafts are not good and you have scars in the recipeint area and the donor area.
16:36:33 [italyguy10] I have had a few sessions of FU but would like more density since my hair is very fine. Do you commonly see shock loss of previously transplanted hair when you place FUE's next to them?
16:37:41 [drcole] sorry, nathan, i did not consier them. dr. minotakis has not learned fue and he is in london periodically. i think that dhi trys to move all thier paitents to athens. i may be wrong about this. i don't recomend dhi anyway. i like the guys, but not the results i've seen thus far.
16:37:42 [69sting] am i saying roni's name right
16:38:30 [drcole] dhi wants to get better though. i cannot argue with efforts to improve. if they improve and begin to act more ethically, i will not hesitate to recomend them. i don't see this happening though
16:39:06 [drcole] not in previously transplanted hair but i do see it in natural hair.
16:40:27 [Forhair]>[69sting] My Name IS a Top Secret
16:40:27 [nathan] who is the best then for fue ? - obviously i'm concerned about getting the doll's look
16:40:44 [69sting] forhair can you tell him i said thanks he is really a great guy. i enjoyed the time i spent with you and him
16:40:50 [drcole] woods
16:41:11 [nathan] is he in the US ?
16:41:50 [drcole] no, australia
16:42:06 [Forhair]>[69sting] hope to see you again....SOON
16:42:06 [nathan] ok
16:42:54 [69sting] not as much as i hope to see you ya'll and Dr. Cole
16:43:33 [nathan] i'm 24 and my hair has thinned all over the scalp. I have loads of donor hair. Do u think i'm a suitable candidate ?
16:43:52 [69sting] thanks for your time and i will call and try to set up a time is there any that i should talk to
16:44:02 [italyguy10] I have fine hair with good density on the sides of my head. Are your FUE punches small enough for this kind of graft?
16:44:30 [drcole] dr. woods will not likely treat a 24 year old. it depends on how much hair los you have.i suspect that you are not a good candidate if you have diffuse thinning
16:44:53 [drcole] yes, italy guy, they are small
16:45:43 [drcole] ask for tanya or cristina
16:45:47 [nathan] when will HM be available ?
16:46:17 [italyguy10] Do you also improve hair at the temples with FUE (on the sides of the head)?
16:46:29 [Forhair] italyguy10> your Icon is of a girl...are you a man?
16:46:40 [drcole] will keep you posted on hm
16:47:09 [69sting] italy,you should really check into seeing if you are a good candidate,i stared when i was your age and i have been living in hell ever since. but you are doing the right thing in talking to Dr. Cole
16:47:21 [italyguy10] Yes, I am a man. I must have registered incorrectly
16:47:30 [Forhair]
16:47:47 [Forhair] itsn okey..im open...
16:48:38 [nathan] even though they seem impressive on their website do u think i should disregard dhi ?
16:49:17 [drcole] nathan, i do not recomend them that's all i can say about them.
16:49:28 [italyguy10] Do I need to travel to Atlanta for a consultation prior to surgery or can it been done by photo? Also, I am from Chicago originally; do you still have an office there?
16:50:06 [drcole] i travel to chicago regularly. you can send a photo or meet me personally when i come to town
16:50:13 [69sting] i will try to talk to cristina on moday, is there a good time to reach her in the mornings
16:50:32 [drcole] yes, call her before 10am
16:50:59 [69sting] for sure
16:51:18 [69sting] thanks to all and good night
16:51:27 [nathan] drcole in the right surgeons hands can fue seem undetectable ?
16:52:09 [drcole] nathan, i wish you luck. i do not like to be negative about anyone, but i cannot recomend a group that gets resutls that are good at times and disappointing at other times.
16:52:27 [quan] thanks Dr Cole and Forhair good night
16:52:54 [italyguy10] I know you have improved your FUE technique greatly over the past months. What number of grafts do you typically perform in a given session?
16:53:32 [drcole] yes, nathan, fue is undectable. perhaps even at dhi. the've only been doing fue since july so it is early to asses this. fue is only the donor harvest though. the problems with dhi has been wide scars and poor growth. fue eliminates the scar, but not poor growth
16:53:39 [drcole] we
16:54:24 [drcole] we've done up to 1880 grafts on one patient and up to 2400 on two patients. i say 1000 is a good number per pateint per day at this time, but more is certainly possible
16:54:51 [italyguy10] Costs is a big factor for me which is another reason why I have been interested in strip. Do you your FUE prices changing in the future?
16:55:27 [drcole] fue prices will not change significantly in the near future, but in time they will come down. be patient
16:55:51 [italyguy10] Thanks for your time!
16:55:57 [drcole] feaguru, sorry you missed us
16:56:12 [drcole] you are all welcome and thank you for attending. hope we helped.
16:56:27 [nathan] thanks drcole
16:56:46 [drcole] good night to all.
16:56:55 [Forhair] at: http://www.forhair.org/forhair_forum/index.php
16:57:00 [nathan] good night
16:57:54 [nathan] quan> quan
16:58:32 [feaguru] dr cole: if you are still here, are you working with georgia tech on any research or would you be willing to?
16:59:43 [Forhair] Dr Cole has to go after 2 hours chating...please post your questions on our forums at http://www.forhair.org
17:00:00 [Forhair] he will be happy to respond you..
17:00:25 [feaguru] yeah, I got my time conversion backwards
17:00:32 [Forhair] ooops...the forum adress:http://www.forhair.org/forhair_forum/index.php
17:01:15 [Forhair] we will put this chat session on our website and on hairsite.com
17:01:50 [nathan]>[Forhair] was he the real drcole
17:02:13 [Forhair] GOOD NIGHT...you can keep chating with each other tho..
17:02:41 [Forhair] nathan> what do you mean?
17:03:23 [Forhair] yes,it was the real Dr Cole
17:03:23 [nathan] Forhair> i mean, drcole wasn't being impersonated was he ?
17:03:49 [nathan] Forhair> okokokok
17:05:35 [nathan] you're back ?
17:06:21 [drcole] yes, nathan, i came back for a short time
17:06:44 [drcole] i am not being impersonated.
17:06:47 [nathan]
17:07:01 [nathan] i'm glad you're not
17:07:20 [drcole] i am not working with georgia tech. i have tried to do some work with them in the past
17:08:24 [drcole] good nathan. i just try to give an honest opinion that will keep you safe. for fue recomend woods, jones, gho that's all for now. ok and good night.
17:09:29 [italyguy10] is it possible to read the entire transcript of this chat?
17:10:07 [nathan] Forhair> is he likely to come back again ?
17:11:36 [forhair] again nathan..you can post any questions on our forums...please do that...www.forhair.org/forhair_forum/index.php
17:14:28 [nathan] forhair
17:37:58 [orishe] Is this chat still on?
17:39:21 [orishe] I guess not.
18:06:27 [jeffP] Dr. cole are you still there
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