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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:54 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
nobel victim
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Damn! Still at least I have helped my health twice by drinking this tea stuff and not getting any cigars!

Have you ever thought about ruining a home study course on hair & skin health? I'm half serious here, I mean most of my time on web sites is spent sorting for little nuggets of gold from the tons of cyber rubble & misinformation out there. Even it seems from fairly credable books like Bald Truth. It would save me and many other obsessive types out there a lot of time and give us a better knowledge of the area if got back into our bio chemistry!

I have to say though, I really know of no other feild of reserch where punters like me get such close acess to the very cream of the felid, I really am very grateful for the information that you and Dr Cole have passed onto me.

Many thanks

NV
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:49 am Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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I think you are quite right about the rather abstract nature of a lot of medicine. It seems a tremendous waste of talent when so many highly educated Dr's & health profesionals will give the same uniform advice (as you say typically drug related) advice to the same symptoms. The whole point of an education is to work things out.

I used to suffer a lot with joint pain, and my GP would always prescribe ibupropehn (sp) which would be hard on my gut and not really sort out the problem. Eventual I found a super private physio who worked her way though a number of hypothesis and figured out which muscles were tight, weak etc, worked me out a program and I'm fitter now that I was in my late teens.

I guess what I'm saying is one of the great sadnesses of modern life is that people think that knowledge is something written down by an expert. And you kind of get an intellectual mono culture. Knowing something to my mind is to master it enough to perform it as an activity. Life is not a pub quiz after all. Sorry, got on a bit of a rant there, anyhow you are a great guy TB2, thanks again,

NV
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:22 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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forhair wrote:
I know that green tea is good for hair...but as for any evidence for green tea as a DHT inhibitor...i'm not sure. I think that a combination of green tea inside a hair growth or post surgery healing formulation will be very good tho...


Green tea will not be an effective DHT blocker as far as AGA is concerned. The catechins in green are inhibitors of Type I 5 alpha-reductase. It is thought that it is primarily the Type II enzyme which is the problem as far as AGA is concerned. I have written two articles which fully explain this:

http://www.hairlossbuddy.com/12/green-tea/
http://www.hairlossbuddy.com/11/dht/

I'd still recommend having a cup or two of green tea a day, purely for health benefits.

Cheers
Chris
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:05 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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Hi ChrisB,

Isnt type one DHT the same variaet that is blocked by proscar / finasteride tho? If it blocks type one then I'm all for 8 mugs a day with nettle for variation!

NV
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:53 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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Esfandiari A, Kelly AP.

The effects of tea polyphenolic compounds on hair loss among rodents.

J Natl Med Assoc. 2005 Aug;97(Cool:1165-9.

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The objective of this study was to examine the effects of polyphenolic compounds, present in noncommercially available green tea, on hair loss among rodentts. In an experimental study, we randomly assigned 60female Balb/black mice, which had developed spontaneous hair loss on the head, neck and dorsal areas into two equal groups; A (experimental) and B (control). Group A received 50% fraction of polyphenol extract from dehydrated green tea in their drinking water for six months. Group B received regular drinking water. Both groups were fed regular rodent diets (Purina Rodent Chow 5001) and housed individually in polycarbonate cages. The results showed that 33% of the mice in experimental Group A, who received polyphenol extract in their drinking water, had significant hair regrowth during six months of treatment (p = 0.014). No hair growth was observed among mice in the control group, which received regular water.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:16 am Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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Whoopie! My only failing must be to be drinking too little! I knew it all along!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:58 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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Nice find Bradley Very Happy
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hello guys ,

Anyone tried provillus ?the say that it stops DHT naturally

is the side effects of propecia permanent?

thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:02 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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I feel like I'm lettimg myself in for some punishment by offering an answer to a question set by you Socrates, but I think you will find the side effects, if any of propecia will wear off in time.

I haven't heard of provillus? I hope it hasn't been recommended to you by the chap who got you the hemlock!

NV
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm Translate this post:   Reply with quote
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I'm guessing the chap who drinks 8 cups a day probably knows more about green tea than I do, so I wonder does he recommend any brands? I've heard that different types of green teas contain varying amounts of polyphenols, which in turn makes a big difference in their impact on the human body. Is decaffeinated green tea just as good?

To explain my skepticism I once started eating Hershey's dark chocolate because I heard that dark chocolate has lots of antioxidants. The label on the bar even said something like "naturally high in antioxidants". Later I found out that Hershey's makes their chocolate with alkali processing, which destroys nearly all the AO's. Taught me that commercial food producers will do whatever it takes to deceive you into buying their product and you can't take anything for granted, even what is written on the label.
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